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	<title>Comments on: _Believing Christ_ Revisited, 4 &#8211; The Parable</title>
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		<title>By: _Believing Christ_ Revisited, 5 &#8211; Covenant &#171; Feast upon the Word Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Lesson 27: &#8220;Beware the Bitter Fruits of Apostasy&#8221; (Joseph Smith&#160;Manual)jake on _Believing Christ_ Revisited, 4 &#8211; The&#160;ParableJKC on _Believing Christ_ Revisited, 4 &#8211; The&#160;ParableVăn Thiệp on _Believing Christ_ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lesson 27: &#8220;Beware the Bitter Fruits of Apostasy&#8221; (Joseph Smith&nbsp;Manual)jake on _Believing Christ_ Revisited, 4 &#8211; The&nbsp;ParableJKC on _Believing Christ_ Revisited, 4 &#8211; The&nbsp;ParableVăn Thiệp on _Believing Christ_ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think what your stake president is saying reinforces the idea of our ultimate dependence on the Savior (and his holy order/ordinances) that I think the Joespencer and Rameumptom are trying to bring home. We don&#039;t work out our own salvation because we don&#039;t really want it but it comes to us anyway and we will see that grace was there the entire time when we&#039;re finally childlike enough to surrender to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what your stake president is saying reinforces the idea of our ultimate dependence on the Savior (and his holy order/ordinances) that I think the Joespencer and Rameumptom are trying to bring home. We don&#8217;t work out our own salvation because we don&#8217;t really want it but it comes to us anyway and we will see that grace was there the entire time when we&#8217;re finally childlike enough to surrender to it.</p>
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		<title>By: JKC</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My stake president once gave a talk where he said that ordinances are acts of grace that, by the power of the priesthood, make the atonement effective in our lives, or in other words, that give us access to the sanctifying power of the atonement. I&#039;ve often thought about that since then. I think it is incomplete, but true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My stake president once gave a talk where he said that ordinances are acts of grace that, by the power of the priesthood, make the atonement effective in our lives, or in other words, that give us access to the sanctifying power of the atonement. I&#8217;ve often thought about that since then. I think it is incomplete, but true.</p>
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		<title>By: Văn Thiệp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Văn Thiệp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yess : Thanks you !
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yess : Thanks you !<br />
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rameumptom,

I like how you seem to be equating atonement with ordinances and covenants or that without ordinances we are forever unworthy including the &quot;ordinance&quot; of resurrection, a la 2 Nephi 9.  I&#039;ve been pondering the idea that without ordinances there is no atonement, that ordinances (and faith in Christ) are what link us to what happened in Gethsemane and Calvary, Section 84: 20-22. Therefore, it seems to me that taking the sacrament makes us worthy to take the sacrament, if we do so with a broken heart and contrite spirit as a way of coming unto Christ. Grace for grace...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rameumptom,</p>
<p>I like how you seem to be equating atonement with ordinances and covenants or that without ordinances we are forever unworthy including the &#8220;ordinance&#8221; of resurrection, a la 2 Nephi 9.  I&#8217;ve been pondering the idea that without ordinances there is no atonement, that ordinances (and faith in Christ) are what link us to what happened in Gethsemane and Calvary, Section 84: 20-22. Therefore, it seems to me that taking the sacrament makes us worthy to take the sacrament, if we do so with a broken heart and contrite spirit as a way of coming unto Christ. Grace for grace&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rameumptom</title>
		<link>http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2012/06/17/_believing-christ_-revisited-4-the-parable/#comment-40810</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rameumptom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jake,
As I read it, nothing makes us worthy except the atonement. Only Christ&#039;s grace can bring us into the presence of the Father. None of us can resurrect ourselves, and without resurrection, the prophet Jacob tells us we would be condemned to be angels to the devil forever.  Then, because of the Fall of Adam, all are out of the spiritual presence of God. Our own sins just compound that problem. Without atonement, we cannot be worthy. Without the atonement, there is no grace nor mercy.
When we believe in Christ and repent, we become worthy of the Sacrament through the grace of Christ.  Of course, the definition of repentance may include a visit to the bishop, who holds the keys to the gospel of repentance. 

As Joe explains in slightly different terminology in &quot;An Other Testament&quot; we have a pattern of Creation, Fall, Atonement/Covenant, and Restoration to God&#039;s Presence. He notes that Nephi&#039;s introduction in 1 Nephi 1, actually has these points. In the BoM, we find this pattern noted many times, including 2 Nephi 31, 3 Nephi 11, etc.  We believe in Christ, we repent, the atonement comes to us in a covenant form (baptism, Sacrament, temple ordinance), and we become worthy (or more worthy) to enter God&#039;s presence.  The Sacrament is our re-baptism, or renewal of covenant with Christ, wherein we promise obedience and faithfulness in exchange for becoming Christ&#039;s seed. Then, as we keep the covenant, we receive a member of the Godhead (in this case, the Holy Ghost; in the temple it is the Lord&#039;s presence).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake,<br />
As I read it, nothing makes us worthy except the atonement. Only Christ&#8217;s grace can bring us into the presence of the Father. None of us can resurrect ourselves, and without resurrection, the prophet Jacob tells us we would be condemned to be angels to the devil forever.  Then, because of the Fall of Adam, all are out of the spiritual presence of God. Our own sins just compound that problem. Without atonement, we cannot be worthy. Without the atonement, there is no grace nor mercy.<br />
When we believe in Christ and repent, we become worthy of the Sacrament through the grace of Christ.  Of course, the definition of repentance may include a visit to the bishop, who holds the keys to the gospel of repentance. </p>
<p>As Joe explains in slightly different terminology in &#8220;An Other Testament&#8221; we have a pattern of Creation, Fall, Atonement/Covenant, and Restoration to God&#8217;s Presence. He notes that Nephi&#8217;s introduction in 1 Nephi 1, actually has these points. In the BoM, we find this pattern noted many times, including 2 Nephi 31, 3 Nephi 11, etc.  We believe in Christ, we repent, the atonement comes to us in a covenant form (baptism, Sacrament, temple ordinance), and we become worthy (or more worthy) to enter God&#8217;s presence.  The Sacrament is our re-baptism, or renewal of covenant with Christ, wherein we promise obedience and faithfulness in exchange for becoming Christ&#8217;s seed. Then, as we keep the covenant, we receive a member of the Godhead (in this case, the Holy Ghost; in the temple it is the Lord&#8217;s presence).</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 22:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really enjoyed these four articles and hope you keep adding to them. I&#039;m curious about your thoughts on grace and the sacrament, especially the idea of worthily partaking of the sacrament which seems like a contradictory idea. If one is worthy, does one need atonement? Anyway, I think the sacrament has something to do with grace, faith, and hope in Christ.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed these four articles and hope you keep adding to them. I&#8217;m curious about your thoughts on grace and the sacrament, especially the idea of worthily partaking of the sacrament which seems like a contradictory idea. If one is worthy, does one need atonement? Anyway, I think the sacrament has something to do with grace, faith, and hope in Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: joespencer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Certainly, but I&#039;m not one for coming up with illustrations. I think Isaiah 6 works, but I&#039;m not sure how much it fails to illustrate, nor do I have a sense for how much anyone today can identify with it....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly, but I&#8217;m not one for coming up with illustrations. I think Isaiah 6 works, but I&#8217;m not sure how much it fails to illustrate, nor do I have a sense for how much anyone today can identify with it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mjberkey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I&#039;m not asking what we need to do, not at all. I do understand that to ask that question is to maintain the false dilemma. But in the terms you used, I think seeing examples of the practice (do you think Isaiah 6 works?) help illustrate the theory, perhaps even lead to a better understanding of the theory. Would you agree with that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m not asking what we need to do, not at all. I do understand that to ask that question is to maintain the false dilemma. But in the terms you used, I think seeing examples of the practice (do you think Isaiah 6 works?) help illustrate the theory, perhaps even lead to a better understanding of the theory. Would you agree with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert C.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the practical, we had lots of discussions about this issue in the early days of the blog. My take, based largely on Joe&#039;s provocative comments   in that discussion (though please don&#039;t use my words to implicate Joe!) is as follows.

Reading scripture in the right way is itself is one of the most practical consequences of all these theoretical issues Joe is wrestling with (and helping us wrestle with). That is, scripture study is itself a practice, and therefore it is the most practical thing that we do in a strong and robust sense. The most important practical thing that we do each week might just be scripture study in our families, in our wards, in our communion with God, etc.

On this view, to give a more concrete(/practical) example, consider having a conversation with a non-member friend who is confessing how burned out he&#039;s feeling with his job and the rat-race of life. If we have a proper &quot;theoretical&quot; understanding of grace, then we naturally see how this burned out feeling is a classic symptom of refusing grace, and we start talking about this with our non-member friend in the most natural way. Suddenly, this conversation turns into what we often refer to as &quot;a missionary opportunity&quot; (scare quotes because I think we often have a wrong-headed approach to missionary &lt;i&gt;work&lt;/i&gt;...). If we have practiced our theory, so-to-speak, then the concrete implementation of grace will never happen. 

So, although we are accustomed to thinking about practical issues rather than theoretical issues, this is really just a symptom of our failure to really immerse ourselves in scripture study and make it the foundation of our lives....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the practical, we had lots of discussions about this issue in the early days of the blog. My take, based largely on Joe&#8217;s provocative comments   in that discussion (though please don&#8217;t use my words to implicate Joe!) is as follows.</p>
<p>Reading scripture in the right way is itself is one of the most practical consequences of all these theoretical issues Joe is wrestling with (and helping us wrestle with). That is, scripture study is itself a practice, and therefore it is the most practical thing that we do in a strong and robust sense. The most important practical thing that we do each week might just be scripture study in our families, in our wards, in our communion with God, etc.</p>
<p>On this view, to give a more concrete(/practical) example, consider having a conversation with a non-member friend who is confessing how burned out he&#8217;s feeling with his job and the rat-race of life. If we have a proper &#8220;theoretical&#8221; understanding of grace, then we naturally see how this burned out feeling is a classic symptom of refusing grace, and we start talking about this with our non-member friend in the most natural way. Suddenly, this conversation turns into what we often refer to as &#8220;a missionary opportunity&#8221; (scare quotes because I think we often have a wrong-headed approach to missionary <i>work</i>&#8230;). If we have practiced our theory, so-to-speak, then the concrete implementation of grace will never happen. </p>
<p>So, although we are accustomed to thinking about practical issues rather than theoretical issues, this is really just a symptom of our failure to really immerse ourselves in scripture study and make it the foundation of our lives&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay. That does help. Thanks. Once again, really enjoying the series (and the Book of Mormon posts as well - just my study is taking a while and the discussions have usually ended by the time I get round to them!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay. That does help. Thanks. Once again, really enjoying the series (and the Book of Mormon posts as well &#8211; just my study is taking a while and the discussions have usually ended by the time I get round to them!)</p>
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		<title>By: joespencer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James and Mjberkey,

I wear a shirt that says, &quot;Sure, it works in practice, but does it work in theory?&quot; There&#039;s something very right about that question. One of the things I think we&#039;re supposed to learn from grace is that our demands for concrete practical application are part of the problem. We shout at the heavens: &quot;Just tell me what you want from me! Just tell me what to do to make you happy!&quot; And God answers, yet again, by asking whether we&#039;re done pouting. So if by &quot;practical level&quot; you mean to ask what we&#039;re to do, there&#039;s no answer---no unchangeable answer.

But if by &quot;practical level&quot; you mean to ask how we&#039;re to be, there are plenty of answers, I think. I stop working for my salvation, and I finally start working for the sake of working. I stop reading my scriptures in order to get blessings, in order to be good, in order to follow God&#039;s commandments, in order to be an example, etc., and I start reading my scriptures in order to see what they say, in order to make sense of their giftedness, in order to hear God&#039;s word, in order simply to enjoy their truth, etc.

I&#039;ll be coming in later posts to the &quot;importance of works,&quot; but it won&#039;t be a question at all of balance. There&#039;s a completely different way to address works in scripture. It&#039;s absolutely baffling to me how obvious it is, but how completely we miss it....

And Rameumptom,

Thanks for your overly kind words. I have the same hope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James and Mjberkey,</p>
<p>I wear a shirt that says, &#8220;Sure, it works in practice, but does it work in theory?&#8221; There&#8217;s something very right about that question. One of the things I think we&#8217;re supposed to learn from grace is that our demands for concrete practical application are part of the problem. We shout at the heavens: &#8220;Just tell me what you want from me! Just tell me what to do to make you happy!&#8221; And God answers, yet again, by asking whether we&#8217;re done pouting. So if by &#8220;practical level&#8221; you mean to ask what we&#8217;re to do, there&#8217;s no answer&#8212;no unchangeable answer.</p>
<p>But if by &#8220;practical level&#8221; you mean to ask how we&#8217;re to be, there are plenty of answers, I think. I stop working for my salvation, and I finally start working for the sake of working. I stop reading my scriptures in order to get blessings, in order to be good, in order to follow God&#8217;s commandments, in order to be an example, etc., and I start reading my scriptures in order to see what they say, in order to make sense of their giftedness, in order to hear God&#8217;s word, in order simply to enjoy their truth, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be coming in later posts to the &#8220;importance of works,&#8221; but it won&#8217;t be a question at all of balance. There&#8217;s a completely different way to address works in scripture. It&#8217;s absolutely baffling to me how obvious it is, but how completely we miss it&#8230;.</p>
<p>And Rameumptom,</p>
<p>Thanks for your overly kind words. I have the same hope.</p>
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		<title>By: rameumptom</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to speak for Joe, but I think what he is explaining helps us see grace and atonement in a different light than before. Robinson wrote this book because many LDS did not understand how grace and atonement actually functioned. Many LDS doubted they were saved, because they had not earned their salvation. I actually had an Institute director suggest that D&amp;C 132 taught we actually did have to earn 100 points, and then any sin after that did not matter, as we had earned exaltation!

Joe is helping us see Robinson&#039;s book two decades later, in view of how many LDS are now beginning to understand and see grace.  I applaud him for this effort. Why? Because, if we do not understand grace, then we do not understand what the &quot;practical level&quot; actually is.  And Joe has noted what we must do on the practical level.
His version of the parable of the bicycle flows from what he&#039;s written on the book so far: stop rebelling and pouting. Humbly and gratefully accept the atonement and grace of God. Stop walking away from God, because we want things our own way. Stop being miserable, and accept Christ&#039;s joy and love.
It really can be that easy, but our minds just do not want to believe it. We mortals love to complicate things, and sadly, we&#039;ve complicated the heck out of grace (or did we mix heck into it to complicate it?).

I also agree with Joe mournful statements about Mormons not knowing the Book of Mormon. I also harp on this. Sadly, we&#039;ve gotten used to skimming stones across the ocean of doctrine, rather than diving in to experience its richness in the deeps. (It actually surprised me to see that in the PH/RS George Albert Smith manual, they are discussing missionary work for 3 chapters, instead of just one!).

I truly hope that the current group of scholars, Joe included, will help the Church to find its way into actually learning what the Book of Mormon says, and not just use the 25 seminary scriptures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to speak for Joe, but I think what he is explaining helps us see grace and atonement in a different light than before. Robinson wrote this book because many LDS did not understand how grace and atonement actually functioned. Many LDS doubted they were saved, because they had not earned their salvation. I actually had an Institute director suggest that D&amp;C 132 taught we actually did have to earn 100 points, and then any sin after that did not matter, as we had earned exaltation!</p>
<p>Joe is helping us see Robinson&#8217;s book two decades later, in view of how many LDS are now beginning to understand and see grace.  I applaud him for this effort. Why? Because, if we do not understand grace, then we do not understand what the &#8220;practical level&#8221; actually is.  And Joe has noted what we must do on the practical level.<br />
His version of the parable of the bicycle flows from what he&#8217;s written on the book so far: stop rebelling and pouting. Humbly and gratefully accept the atonement and grace of God. Stop walking away from God, because we want things our own way. Stop being miserable, and accept Christ&#8217;s joy and love.<br />
It really can be that easy, but our minds just do not want to believe it. We mortals love to complicate things, and sadly, we&#8217;ve complicated the heck out of grace (or did we mix heck into it to complicate it?).</p>
<p>I also agree with Joe mournful statements about Mormons not knowing the Book of Mormon. I also harp on this. Sadly, we&#8217;ve gotten used to skimming stones across the ocean of doctrine, rather than diving in to experience its richness in the deeps. (It actually surprised me to see that in the PH/RS George Albert Smith manual, they are discussing missionary work for 3 chapters, instead of just one!).</p>
<p>I truly hope that the current group of scholars, Joe included, will help the Church to find its way into actually learning what the Book of Mormon says, and not just use the 25 seminary scriptures.</p>
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		<title>By: Bike Parable &#171; WHAT I&#039;m thinking about</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bike Parable &#171; WHAT I&#039;m thinking about]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Bike&#160;Parable  By Karen   Joe&#8217;s been working through Stephen Robinson&#8217;s book Believing Christ at http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2012/06/17/_believing-christ_-revisited-4-the-parable. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bike&nbsp;Parable  By Karen   Joe&#8217;s been working through Stephen Robinson&#8217;s book Believing Christ at http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2012/06/17/_believing-christ_-revisited-4-the-parable. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mjberkey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes Joe, as they say in meme-world, one does not simply &quot;stop it&quot;. I agree, it would be helpful to see examples. Til We Have Faces is absolutely amazing for illustrating exactly what you&#039;re talking about, but I think some practical modern examples would be helpful too. I like how you talk about the Sabbath as a practice of stopping, but I think for Mormons at least, it can easily be incorporated as another &quot;prop for our fantasies&quot;. 

I&#039;m sure we could also find plenty of examples in scripture. I thought of Isaiah 6 yesterday. When Isaiah is brought into God&#039;s presence, he says, &quot;Woe is me! I must be silent!&quot; He sees his own inadequacy before God and volunteers his silence (unlike Zechariah in Luke 1, who should have stopped his speaking, but doesn&#039;t). Ironically, he speaks to stop his own speaking. I wonder how often our stopping/repenting might entail the same kind of irony. 

Awesome posts, Joe! We&#039;re loving them!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Joe, as they say in meme-world, one does not simply &#8220;stop it&#8221;. I agree, it would be helpful to see examples. Til We Have Faces is absolutely amazing for illustrating exactly what you&#8217;re talking about, but I think some practical modern examples would be helpful too. I like how you talk about the Sabbath as a practice of stopping, but I think for Mormons at least, it can easily be incorporated as another &#8220;prop for our fantasies&#8221;. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure we could also find plenty of examples in scripture. I thought of Isaiah 6 yesterday. When Isaiah is brought into God&#8217;s presence, he says, &#8220;Woe is me! I must be silent!&#8221; He sees his own inadequacy before God and volunteers his silence (unlike Zechariah in Luke 1, who should have stopped his speaking, but doesn&#8217;t). Ironically, he speaks to stop his own speaking. I wonder how often our stopping/repenting might entail the same kind of irony. </p>
<p>Awesome posts, Joe! We&#8217;re loving them!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Joe, I&#039;m really enjoying this series. The question I keep returning to as I read is what does this mean at a practical level? That is, does being reconciled to God involve any initial modifying behavior or is it primarily a change in attitude? Also, how do we begin to recognise what is self deception and what is God&#039;s will?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe, I&#8217;m really enjoying this series. The question I keep returning to as I read is what does this mean at a practical level? That is, does being reconciled to God involve any initial modifying behavior or is it primarily a change in attitude? Also, how do we begin to recognise what is self deception and what is God&#8217;s will?</p>
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		<title>By: Announcing a Series: _Believing Christ_ Revisited &#171; Feast upon the Word Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Announcing a Series: _Believing Christ_ Revisited &#171; Feast upon the Word Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] _Believing Christ_ Revisited, 3 &#8211; Introducing Atonement &#171; Feast upon the Word Blog on _Believing Christ_ Revisited, 4 &#8211; The&#160;Parable_Believing Christ_ Revisited, 4 &#8211; The Parable &#171; Feast upon the Word Blog on _Believing [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] _Believing Christ_ Revisited, 3 &#8211; Introducing Atonement &laquo; Feast upon the Word Blog on _Believing Christ_ Revisited, 4 &#8211; The&nbsp;Parable_Believing Christ_ Revisited, 4 &#8211; The Parable &laquo; Feast upon the Word Blog on _Believing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: _Believing Christ_ Revisited, 3 &#8211; Introducing Atonement &#171; Feast upon the Word Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[_Believing Christ_ Revisited, 3 &#8211; Introducing Atonement &#171; Feast upon the Word Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]        &#171; _Believing Christ_ Revisited, 2 &#8211; The Great&#160;Dilemma _Believing Christ_ Revisited, 4 &#8211; The&#160;Parable [...]]]></description>
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