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		<title>By: RS/MP Lesson 2: “Our Heavenly Family” (Part 2) &#171; Feast upon the Word Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Brother Themes in&#160;Genesis [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Blogspotting LDS in the OT (post #1) &#171; Heart Issues for LDS</title>
		<link>http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2010/01/02/brother-themes-in-genesis/#comment-29720</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blogspotting LDS in the OT (post #1) &#171; Heart Issues for LDS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Brother Themes in Genesis &#8211; Hmm . . . you certainly won&#8217;t find this in Genesis: Two of our brothers presented alternative plans embodying different ways of conceiving our responsibilities toward others in the pre-earth council. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: KirkC</title>
		<link>http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2010/01/02/brother-themes-in-genesis/#comment-29671</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Early Jewish writer Philo worked a lot on the Old Testament, and the Book of Genesis particularly.  In his studies he would look for a common thread that ran throughout the book, in Genesis he found “conflict.”  He even talked about much of the brotherly conflict that Robert brings up in his OP.  

Philo believed that all scripture (including Genesis) contained allegory and symbolism. This allowed the Jews to take difficult situations, and turn them into simple truths.  These truths could then be incorporate into their spiritual lives.

I do not necessarily agree with many things that Philo wrote, but I think his thoughts here have some bearing on this discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Early Jewish writer Philo worked a lot on the Old Testament, and the Book of Genesis particularly.  In his studies he would look for a common thread that ran throughout the book, in Genesis he found “conflict.”  He even talked about much of the brotherly conflict that Robert brings up in his OP.  </p>
<p>Philo believed that all scripture (including Genesis) contained allegory and symbolism. This allowed the Jews to take difficult situations, and turn them into simple truths.  These truths could then be incorporate into their spiritual lives.</p>
<p>I do not necessarily agree with many things that Philo wrote, but I think his thoughts here have some bearing on this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Cristie Navy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cristie Navy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 07:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The man puts it on the line no matter what weight]]></description>
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		<title>By: J. Madson</title>
		<link>http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2010/01/02/brother-themes-in-genesis/#comment-29656</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Madson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Things Hidden since the Foundation of the World is my favorite and I also like I See Satan Fall Like Lightning alot. I am only part way through the scapegoat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things Hidden since the Foundation of the World is my favorite and I also like I See Satan Fall Like Lightning alot. I am only part way through the scapegoat.</p>
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		<title>By: KirkC</title>
		<link>http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2010/01/02/brother-themes-in-genesis/#comment-29655</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: joespencer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Without question, &lt;i&gt;The Scapegoat&lt;/i&gt;. If you&#039;re interested in working carefully through his larger theory, you should go to &lt;i&gt;Things Hidden since the Foundation of the World&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without question, <i>The Scapegoat</i>. If you&#8217;re interested in working carefully through his larger theory, you should go to <i>Things Hidden since the Foundation of the World</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: KirkC</title>
		<link>http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2010/01/02/brother-themes-in-genesis/#comment-29651</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have never read Rene Girard, and it seems everyone here loves him!  What is a good book to start with?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never read Rene Girard, and it seems everyone here loves him!  What is a good book to start with?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert C.</title>
		<link>http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2010/01/02/brother-themes-in-genesis/#comment-29640</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe and J Madson, great stuff---I look forward to hearing more of your insights as we work through these passages this year in Sunday school.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe and J Madson, great stuff&#8212;I look forward to hearing more of your insights as we work through these passages this year in Sunday school.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Madson</title>
		<link>http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2010/01/02/brother-themes-in-genesis/#comment-29639</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Madson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 08:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I need to spell check. The book is Things Hidden From the Foundation]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to spell check. The book is Things Hidden From the Foundation</p>
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		<title>By: J. Madson</title>
		<link>http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2010/01/02/brother-themes-in-genesis/#comment-29638</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Madson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 08:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe

Yes, Girard discusses it there as well as his book &quot;Things hidden form the foundation.&quot;

Without going into too much detail, I highly recommend &quot;The Bible, Violence, and the Sacred: Liberation from the Myth of Sanctioned Violence&quot; by  James G. Williams. He takes many of the ideas of Girard and discusses some of the meta themes of the OT. His chapter entitled &quot;enemy brothers&quot; is highly relevant to this discussion and is the inspiration for my own chapter in a forthcoming book that discusses parallels with the BoM and the lessons the OT and BoM invite us to learn about rivalry, mimesis, and atonement. 

I find the Jacob and Esau story one of the more touching and emotional stories for myself personally. Jacob and Esau&#039;s progression until their eventual at-one-ment is beautiful. I am particularly struck by the way in which Jacob&#039;s own wrestling or as Nibley liked to translate it, ritual embrace, with the Lord is told in junction with him putting aside his mimetic rivalry and embracing his brother in the same way the Lord embraced him, in arms of everlasting love. It is also significant, as James Williams points out, that the Hebrew word used by Jacob when he reconciles with Esau is the same word for the blessing he previously stole. Jacob offers it back. Likewise, Esau returns the same love and affection for his brother. They weep together, there is enough blessing for the both of them. It seems that part of entering God&#039;s kingdom is the realization that there is plenty for all. We do not need to engage in petty rivalries that escalate into chaos, murder, etc. We can&#039;t help but weep when Jacob&#039;s sons fail to learn the lessons Jacob and Esau learned. The text tells us Jacob is sorely displeased with them. For all the greatness we see in Esau and Jacob here, it is the great grand children who fail to learn the lessons of hospitality and atonement that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob learned and slaughter the descendants of Esau upon entering the promise land.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe</p>
<p>Yes, Girard discusses it there as well as his book &#8220;Things hidden form the foundation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Without going into too much detail, I highly recommend &#8220;The Bible, Violence, and the Sacred: Liberation from the Myth of Sanctioned Violence&#8221; by  James G. Williams. He takes many of the ideas of Girard and discusses some of the meta themes of the OT. His chapter entitled &#8220;enemy brothers&#8221; is highly relevant to this discussion and is the inspiration for my own chapter in a forthcoming book that discusses parallels with the BoM and the lessons the OT and BoM invite us to learn about rivalry, mimesis, and atonement. </p>
<p>I find the Jacob and Esau story one of the more touching and emotional stories for myself personally. Jacob and Esau&#8217;s progression until their eventual at-one-ment is beautiful. I am particularly struck by the way in which Jacob&#8217;s own wrestling or as Nibley liked to translate it, ritual embrace, with the Lord is told in junction with him putting aside his mimetic rivalry and embracing his brother in the same way the Lord embraced him, in arms of everlasting love. It is also significant, as James Williams points out, that the Hebrew word used by Jacob when he reconciles with Esau is the same word for the blessing he previously stole. Jacob offers it back. Likewise, Esau returns the same love and affection for his brother. They weep together, there is enough blessing for the both of them. It seems that part of entering God&#8217;s kingdom is the realization that there is plenty for all. We do not need to engage in petty rivalries that escalate into chaos, murder, etc. We can&#8217;t help but weep when Jacob&#8217;s sons fail to learn the lessons Jacob and Esau learned. The text tells us Jacob is sorely displeased with them. For all the greatness we see in Esau and Jacob here, it is the great grand children who fail to learn the lessons of hospitality and atonement that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob learned and slaughter the descendants of Esau upon entering the promise land.</p>
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		<title>By: joespencer</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 23:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Incidentally, Rene Girard discusses the Cain-and-Abel story in &lt;i&gt;I See Satan Fall Like Lightning&lt;/i&gt;.

I have lots of thoughts on much of what&#039;s being talked about here, but I&#039;ll just introduce one other topic for now: Genesis closes in particular on the tangle of Joseph and Judah, but it should not be missed that this story was likely given its final shape during an era of intense rivalry between the Northern Kingdom (Joseph) and the Southern Kingdom (Judah). Importantly, the role of Joseph became immensely important for the Lehites, who traced their lineage to Joseph and who spent much of their earliest years pondering on the relationship between the record they would write [and] the record Judah would produce. All these questions of brotherly rivalry in Genesis is quite relevant to the project of the last days as projected by the Book of Mormon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, Rene Girard discusses the Cain-and-Abel story in <i>I See Satan Fall Like Lightning</i>.</p>
<p>I have lots of thoughts on much of what&#8217;s being talked about here, but I&#8217;ll just introduce one other topic for now: Genesis closes in particular on the tangle of Joseph and Judah, but it should not be missed that this story was likely given its final shape during an era of intense rivalry between the Northern Kingdom (Joseph) and the Southern Kingdom (Judah). Importantly, the role of Joseph became immensely important for the Lehites, who traced their lineage to Joseph and who spent much of their earliest years pondering on the relationship between the record they would write [and] the record Judah would produce. All these questions of brotherly rivalry in Genesis is quite relevant to the project of the last days as projected by the Book of Mormon.</p>
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		<title>By: KirkC</title>
		<link>http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2010/01/02/brother-themes-in-genesis/#comment-29612</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KirkC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#5, Robert, thanks for the link.  Great stuff!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5, Robert, thanks for the link.  Great stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert C.</title>
		<link>http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2010/01/02/brother-themes-in-genesis/#comment-29604</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dennis #4, yes great point about Leah being an effective stand-in for Esau (continuing the mimetic rivalry?). A very slight quibble: without &quot;stealing&quot; Esau&#039;s birthright, Jacob never would have fled to Laban&#039;s place in the first place (Gen 27:45). A more careful and detailed reading/analysis would also bring in redactive issues and what not, but I don&#039;t think such issues should become a damper on the Spirit&#039;s ability to inspire our imaginations, make interesting comparisons and contrasts, etc., etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis #4, yes great point about Leah being an effective stand-in for Esau (continuing the mimetic rivalry?). A very slight quibble: without &#8220;stealing&#8221; Esau&#8217;s birthright, Jacob never would have fled to Laban&#8217;s place in the first place (Gen 27:45). A more careful and detailed reading/analysis would also bring in redactive issues and what not, but I don&#8217;t think such issues should become a damper on the Spirit&#8217;s ability to inspire our imaginations, make interesting comparisons and contrasts, etc., etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert C.</title>
		<link>http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2010/01/02/brother-themes-in-genesis/#comment-29603</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J Madson #2, yes, thinking about how this theme of mimetic rivalry  perpetuates across generations is, I think, crucial for understanding the Book of Mormon. 

Also, if you look at the post I just linked to in #5 in a Girardian light, there&#039;s an interesting Girardian theme to be thought through more here.

To elaborate the banishment-redeemed pattern a bit more in Genesis:

* &lt;b&gt;Abel&lt;/b&gt; is slain, 
. . . but &lt;b&gt;Seth&lt;/b&gt; ascends

* &lt;b&gt;Noah&lt;/b&gt; is banished (by the flood), 
. . . but is saved by the &lt;b&gt;ark&lt;/b&gt; (like an Isaianic remnant?)

* &lt;b&gt;Isaac&lt;/b&gt; is (almost) slain, 
. . . but is spared and fathers Jacob/Israel, the &lt;b&gt;12 tribes&lt;/b&gt;, etc., etc.

* &lt;b&gt;Jacob&lt;/b&gt; flees Esau&#039;s wrath to Padan-aram (Gen 28:2), 
. . . but comes &lt;b&gt;back to Canaan&lt;/b&gt; with great propserity

* &lt;b&gt;Joseph&lt;/b&gt; is banished to Egypt, 
. . . but is &lt;b&gt;favored by Potiphar and Pharoah&lt;/b&gt;, and saves the rest of his family  

Now, in the Book of Mormon, we have, just to name a few prominent examples from each of the major BOM books:

* &lt;b&gt;Lehi&lt;/b&gt;&#039;s family flees Jerusalem, 
. . . but prosper in the &lt;b&gt;New World&lt;/b&gt;

* &lt;b&gt;Nephi&lt;/b&gt; is repeatedly mocked by his brothers, 
. . . but ends up &lt;b&gt;ruling over them&lt;/b&gt;

* &lt;b&gt;Alma&lt;/b&gt; is banished from King Noah&#039;s court, 
. . . but escapes to the wilderness, and then arrives in Zarahemla and is &lt;b&gt;made high priest&lt;/b&gt;

* The &lt;b&gt;Anti-Nephi-Lehites&lt;/b&gt; are slain, 
. . . but the &lt;b&gt;sons of Helaman&lt;/b&gt; arise and are protected and victorious

* &lt;b&gt;Nephi and Lehi&lt;/b&gt; are imprisoned 
. . .  but are &lt;b&gt;miraculously spared&lt;/b&gt; (Helaman 5)

* On the eve before the &lt;b&gt;Christians&lt;/b&gt; are slayed,
. . .  &lt;b&gt;the star&lt;/b&gt; appears as Samuel predicted and the Christians are saved

* &lt;b&gt;Mormon&#039;s brethren &lt;/b&gt; are wicked, and eventually die out, 
. . . but through &lt;b&gt;Moroni and the BOM&lt;/b&gt;, the book will come forth in the latter days and be received by the righteous remnant of Lamanites

* The &lt;b&gt;Jaredites&lt;/b&gt; were destroyed 
. . . but Coriantumr and &lt;b&gt;their record was found by Limhi&lt;/b&gt; (Ether 15:33)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J Madson #2, yes, thinking about how this theme of mimetic rivalry  perpetuates across generations is, I think, crucial for understanding the Book of Mormon. </p>
<p>Also, if you look at the post I just linked to in #5 in a Girardian light, there&#8217;s an interesting Girardian theme to be thought through more here.</p>
<p>To elaborate the banishment-redeemed pattern a bit more in Genesis:</p>
<p>* <b>Abel</b> is slain,<br />
. . . but <b>Seth</b> ascends</p>
<p>* <b>Noah</b> is banished (by the flood),<br />
. . . but is saved by the <b>ark</b> (like an Isaianic remnant?)</p>
<p>* <b>Isaac</b> is (almost) slain,<br />
. . . but is spared and fathers Jacob/Israel, the <b>12 tribes</b>, etc., etc.</p>
<p>* <b>Jacob</b> flees Esau&#8217;s wrath to Padan-aram (Gen 28:2),<br />
. . . but comes <b>back to Canaan</b> with great propserity</p>
<p>* <b>Joseph</b> is banished to Egypt,<br />
. . . but is <b>favored by Potiphar and Pharoah</b>, and saves the rest of his family  </p>
<p>Now, in the Book of Mormon, we have, just to name a few prominent examples from each of the major BOM books:</p>
<p>* <b>Lehi</b>&#8216;s family flees Jerusalem,<br />
. . . but prosper in the <b>New World</b></p>
<p>* <b>Nephi</b> is repeatedly mocked by his brothers,<br />
. . . but ends up <b>ruling over them</b></p>
<p>* <b>Alma</b> is banished from King Noah&#8217;s court,<br />
. . . but escapes to the wilderness, and then arrives in Zarahemla and is <b>made high priest</b></p>
<p>* The <b>Anti-Nephi-Lehites</b> are slain,<br />
. . . but the <b>sons of Helaman</b> arise and are protected and victorious</p>
<p>* <b>Nephi and Lehi</b> are imprisoned<br />
. . .  but are <b>miraculously spared</b> (Helaman 5)</p>
<p>* On the eve before the <b>Christians</b> are slayed,<br />
. . .  <b>the star</b> appears as Samuel predicted and the Christians are saved</p>
<p>* <b>Mormon&#8217;s brethren </b> are wicked, and eventually die out,<br />
. . . but through <b>Moroni and the BOM</b>, the book will come forth in the latter days and be received by the righteous remnant of Lamanites</p>
<p>* The <b>Jaredites</b> were destroyed<br />
. . . but Coriantumr and <b>their record was found by Limhi</b> (Ether 15:33)</p>
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		<title>By: Robert C.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a &lt;i&gt;phenomenal&lt;/i&gt; post at the Visions of the Kingdom blog connecting this story of Cain and Abel (and Seth) with the scapegoat ritual and the symbolism of Christ, and more:

   &lt;a href=&quot;http://visionsofthekingdom.shynaar.net/?p=226&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Lone and Dreary World: Cain and Abel, and the Outer Court of the Temple&quot;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a <i>phenomenal</i> post at the Visions of the Kingdom blog connecting this story of Cain and Abel (and Seth) with the scapegoat ritual and the symbolism of Christ, and more:</p>
<p>   <a href="http://visionsofthekingdom.shynaar.net/?p=226" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Lone and Dreary World: Cain and Abel, and the Outer Court of the Temple&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dennis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert,

The last time I read the Book of Genesis, these and other brother themes stood out more powerfully than anything else.

I think there are lots and lots of insights to gain from the Esau and Jacob story. One possible interpretation I&#039;ve had is that Jacob is forced to revisit his antipathy towards Esau through his marriage to Leah. Had Esau not sold his birthright, it is very plausible that Laban would have been thrilled to give Leah to Esau (the eldest to the eldest) and Rachel to Jacob (the youngest to the youngest). By being tricked to marry Leah (interestingly, by the brother of Rebekah, who tricked Isaac to bless Jacob over Esau), the feud of the brothers lives on via Leah and Rachel, as well as through their children.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>The last time I read the Book of Genesis, these and other brother themes stood out more powerfully than anything else.</p>
<p>I think there are lots and lots of insights to gain from the Esau and Jacob story. One possible interpretation I&#8217;ve had is that Jacob is forced to revisit his antipathy towards Esau through his marriage to Leah. Had Esau not sold his birthright, it is very plausible that Laban would have been thrilled to give Leah to Esau (the eldest to the eldest) and Rachel to Jacob (the youngest to the youngest). By being tricked to marry Leah (interestingly, by the brother of Rebekah, who tricked Isaac to bless Jacob over Esau), the feud of the brothers lives on via Leah and Rachel, as well as through their children.</p>
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		<title>By: KirkC</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice BOM connection J.  

I think we all have a person(s) in our families (or that is close to us) that we fear we are not yet reconciled with. This is one reason this subject is meaningful for us on so many levels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice BOM connection J.  </p>
<p>I think we all have a person(s) in our families (or that is close to us) that we fear we are not yet reconciled with. This is one reason this subject is meaningful for us on so many levels.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Madson</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[woops, i meant nephi]]></description>
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		<title>By: J. Madson</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RobertC,

We also have the example of Lehi and his brothers in the Book of Mormon. Their failure at reconciliation or at-one-ment led to murder in the same way that Cain and Abel&#039;s failure did. One could argue that the ensuing wars and conflicts over generations are all tied back to this initial failure which lead to a mimetic rivalry between the two brothers, cascading down generation upon generation, complete with scapegoating traditions. 

I have always felt that there are great lessons to be learned from the various brothers in the scriptures who stand in for us in all of our actual and potential conflicts. There is much to learn from those who were their brother&#039;s keepers and a very dire warning from those who failed to reconcile their differences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RobertC,</p>
<p>We also have the example of Lehi and his brothers in the Book of Mormon. Their failure at reconciliation or at-one-ment led to murder in the same way that Cain and Abel&#8217;s failure did. One could argue that the ensuing wars and conflicts over generations are all tied back to this initial failure which lead to a mimetic rivalry between the two brothers, cascading down generation upon generation, complete with scapegoating traditions. </p>
<p>I have always felt that there are great lessons to be learned from the various brothers in the scriptures who stand in for us in all of our actual and potential conflicts. There is much to learn from those who were their brother&#8217;s keepers and a very dire warning from those who failed to reconcile their differences.</p>
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		<title>By: KirkC</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thought just popped into my head as a read this. It might seem simple, but I have not thought about it before, but maybe some of you have. The real tragedy of the Cain and Abel story is the lack of forgiveness and reconciliation between the brothers. 

Do we have to look after our “brother?” In light Brian’s comments on the “Accountability” thread, it seems we do. Why? Because if we do not look after our family we could lose them forever.  As soon as Cain stopped caring about his brother is when he lost him. However, unlike the others brother narratives Robert cites, Cain and Abel never reconcile. Thus, because Cain did not act as a shepherd to his brother, in a very real sense, he lost him (mostly likely eternally).

So, I am thinking Cain’s punishment was not for his bad attitude, or even for his lying, but for his lack of forgiveness and love he showed towards his brother.  All the other “bad” brothers in Genesis eventually come around, and God accepts them in one way or another. 

Maybe if we show more love and forgiveness for those who have offended us in our families, the more then God will forgive us of our trespass.  In other words, as we reconcile with each other, we become reconciled with God.

Reconciliation is then essential to the Gospel plan of Happiness.

Just a few opening thoughts after reading this.  Thanks for your work here Robert.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thought just popped into my head as a read this. It might seem simple, but I have not thought about it before, but maybe some of you have. The real tragedy of the Cain and Abel story is the lack of forgiveness and reconciliation between the brothers. </p>
<p>Do we have to look after our “brother?” In light Brian’s comments on the “Accountability” thread, it seems we do. Why? Because if we do not look after our family we could lose them forever.  As soon as Cain stopped caring about his brother is when he lost him. However, unlike the others brother narratives Robert cites, Cain and Abel never reconcile. Thus, because Cain did not act as a shepherd to his brother, in a very real sense, he lost him (mostly likely eternally).</p>
<p>So, I am thinking Cain’s punishment was not for his bad attitude, or even for his lying, but for his lack of forgiveness and love he showed towards his brother.  All the other “bad” brothers in Genesis eventually come around, and God accepts them in one way or another. </p>
<p>Maybe if we show more love and forgiveness for those who have offended us in our families, the more then God will forgive us of our trespass.  In other words, as we reconcile with each other, we become reconciled with God.</p>
<p>Reconciliation is then essential to the Gospel plan of Happiness.</p>
<p>Just a few opening thoughts after reading this.  Thanks for your work here Robert.</p>
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