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	<title>Comments on: RS/MP Lesson 33: &#8220;The Spiritual Gifts of Healing, Tongues, Prophecy, and Discerning of Spirits&#8221; (Joseph Smith Manual)</title>
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		<title>By: William O'Rullian</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for a great blog,  Very well thought out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great blog,  Very well thought out.</p>
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		<title>By: NathanG</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 00:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe,
Regarding gifts of tongues and your last comments on the temple.  I have always liked Nephi&#039;s words at the end of 2 Nephi (chapter 32)

 2 Do ye not remember that I said unto you that after ye had received the Holy Ghost ye could speak with the tongue of angels? And now, how could ye speak with the tongue of angels save it were by the Holy Ghost? 
  3 Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.

I think the tie in to the temple and the words the angels speak is impressive.  Also, being in an English speaking mission, I often thought on this as another manifestation of the gift of tongues for me in my own language and that the words I taught by the spirit had some extra power to them.

Thanks for your post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />
Regarding gifts of tongues and your last comments on the temple.  I have always liked Nephi&#8217;s words at the end of 2 Nephi (chapter 32)</p>
<p> 2 Do ye not remember that I said unto you that after ye had received the Holy Ghost ye could speak with the tongue of angels? And now, how could ye speak with the tongue of angels save it were by the Holy Ghost?<br />
  3 Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.</p>
<p>I think the tie in to the temple and the words the angels speak is impressive.  Also, being in an English speaking mission, I often thought on this as another manifestation of the gift of tongues for me in my own language and that the words I taught by the spirit had some extra power to them.</p>
<p>Thanks for your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken W</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 18:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the commentary above, My wife and I taught this lesson today, in our respective organizations, and were so grateful for the insight that you shared - we both felt particularly inspired to use your reflections on the endowment as an aid in discernment, and could feel the confirmation that it was correct in our respective classes.
warmest regards
Springville Utah]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the commentary above, My wife and I taught this lesson today, in our respective organizations, and were so grateful for the insight that you shared &#8211; we both felt particularly inspired to use your reflections on the endowment as an aid in discernment, and could feel the confirmation that it was correct in our respective classes.<br />
warmest regards<br />
Springville Utah</p>
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		<title>By: NathanG</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NathanG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 21:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I second Brian&#039;s question and add a little of the curious wording of D&amp;C section 42 regarding healing.

  43 And whosoever among you are sick, and have not faith to be healed, but believe, shall be nourished with all tenderness, with herbs and mild food, and that not by the hand of an enemy. 
  44 And the elders of the church, two or more, shall be called, and shall pray for and lay their hands upon them in my name; and if they die they shall die unto me, and if they live they shall live unto me. 
  45 Thou shalt live together in love, insomuch that thou shalt weep for the loss of them that die, and more especially for those that have not hope of a glorious resurrection. 
  46 And it shall come to pass that those that die in me shall not taste of death, for it shall be sweet unto them; 
  47 And they that die not in me, wo unto them, for their death is bitter. 
  48 And again, it shall come to pass that he that hath faith in me to be healed, and is not appointed unto death, shall be healed. 
  49 He who hath faith to see shall see. 
  50 He who hath faith to hear shall hear. 
  51 The lame who hath faith to leap shall leap. 
  52 And they who have not faith to do these things, but believe in me, have power to become my sons; and inasmuch as they break not my laws thou shalt bear their infirmities. 

I like in your comments the relationship of healing and death, which comes out in this as well. The wording of this almost separates the gift of healing from the priesthood ordinance, ie those that have not faith to be healed, but believe shall have the Elders called for a blessing.  This seems different from how we view things today.  If this pattern is followed, does it need to be an Elder that has the gift to heal (again if this is someone that has not the faith to be healed).

In relation to Brian&#039;s question, do you think the gifts of the Spirit are to be received by those who have the gift of the Holy Ghost, which would make gifts of the spirit exclusive?  Could it be similar to someone investigating the church experiencing the power of the Holy Ghost, but perhaps not a more constant gift?  Only ideas, I don&#039;t know how to think through all of this, at least today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Brian&#8217;s question and add a little of the curious wording of D&amp;C section 42 regarding healing.</p>
<p>  43 And whosoever among you are sick, and have not faith to be healed, but believe, shall be nourished with all tenderness, with herbs and mild food, and that not by the hand of an enemy.<br />
  44 And the elders of the church, two or more, shall be called, and shall pray for and lay their hands upon them in my name; and if they die they shall die unto me, and if they live they shall live unto me.<br />
  45 Thou shalt live together in love, insomuch that thou shalt weep for the loss of them that die, and more especially for those that have not hope of a glorious resurrection.<br />
  46 And it shall come to pass that those that die in me shall not taste of death, for it shall be sweet unto them;<br />
  47 And they that die not in me, wo unto them, for their death is bitter.<br />
  48 And again, it shall come to pass that he that hath faith in me to be healed, and is not appointed unto death, shall be healed.<br />
  49 He who hath faith to see shall see.<br />
  50 He who hath faith to hear shall hear.<br />
  51 The lame who hath faith to leap shall leap.<br />
  52 And they who have not faith to do these things, but believe in me, have power to become my sons; and inasmuch as they break not my laws thou shalt bear their infirmities. </p>
<p>I like in your comments the relationship of healing and death, which comes out in this as well. The wording of this almost separates the gift of healing from the priesthood ordinance, ie those that have not faith to be healed, but believe shall have the Elders called for a blessing.  This seems different from how we view things today.  If this pattern is followed, does it need to be an Elder that has the gift to heal (again if this is someone that has not the faith to be healed).</p>
<p>In relation to Brian&#8217;s question, do you think the gifts of the Spirit are to be received by those who have the gift of the Holy Ghost, which would make gifts of the spirit exclusive?  Could it be similar to someone investigating the church experiencing the power of the Holy Ghost, but perhaps not a more constant gift?  Only ideas, I don&#8217;t know how to think through all of this, at least today.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert C.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 19:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An interesting tension, it seems to me, is that of what is limited versus what is full. That is, the phrase in D&amp;C 46:10, &quot;For all have not every gift given unto them,&quot; in a kind of tension with D&amp;C 46:29, &quot;unto some it may be given to have all those gifts.&quot; It seems the ordinance are---at least now---available to all who are worthy. And yet is it ever said that everyone will have all gifts? Is the &quot;some&quot; in 46:29 simply commenting on the fact that not all will receive of the fulness of the gospel? or is it more like &quot;some&quot; in the sense that not everyone worthy male church member will serve as bishop?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting tension, it seems to me, is that of what is limited versus what is full. That is, the phrase in D&amp;C 46:10, &#8220;For all have not every gift given unto them,&#8221; in a kind of tension with D&amp;C 46:29, &#8220;unto some it may be given to have all those gifts.&#8221; It seems the ordinance are&#8212;at least now&#8212;available to all who are worthy. And yet is it ever said that everyone will have all gifts? Is the &#8220;some&#8221; in 46:29 simply commenting on the fact that not all will receive of the fulness of the gospel? or is it more like &#8220;some&#8221; in the sense that not everyone worthy male church member will serve as bishop?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 07:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m curious about what you say regarding healing.  I have friends in other churches who have witnessed healing miracles at the hands of their ministers.  What are we to make of this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious about what you say regarding healing.  I have friends in other churches who have witnessed healing miracles at the hands of their ministers.  What are we to make of this?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 20:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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