Comments on: RS/MP Lesson 7: “Baptism and the Gift of the Holy Ghost” (Joseph Smith Manual) http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/04/10/rsmp-lesson-7-baptism-and-the-gift-of-the-holy-ghost/ A blog focused on LDS scriptures and teaching Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:55:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Carlos Pundik,Scentsy,Buy Scentsy,Buy Scentsy Online,Join Scentsy,Sell Scentsy,sell scentsy candles,sell candles,sell candle home,sell candles from home online,sell candles make money,start a candle business online,start a candle business with scentsy onl http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/04/10/rsmp-lesson-7-baptism-and-the-gift-of-the-holy-ghost/#comment-36667 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:23:57 +0000 http://feastuponthewordblog.wordpress.com/?p=496#comment-36667 Carlos Pundik,Scentsy,Buy Scentsy,Buy Scentsy Online,Join Scentsy,Sell Scentsy,sell scentsy candles,sell candles,sell candle home,sell candles from home online,sell candles make money,start a candle business online,start a candle business with scents…

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]]> By: Robb Wolff http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/04/10/rsmp-lesson-7-baptism-and-the-gift-of-the-holy-ghost/#comment-33117 Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:43:45 +0000 http://feastuponthewordblog.wordpress.com/?p=496#comment-33117 [...] http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/04/10/rsmp-lesson-7-baptism-and-the-gift-of-the-holy-ghost/ [...]

]]> By: RS/MP Lesson 8: “The Everlasting Priesthood” (Joseph Smith Manual) « Feast upon the Word Blog http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/04/10/rsmp-lesson-7-baptism-and-the-gift-of-the-holy-ghost/#comment-26376 Sun, 08 Jun 2008 07:20:34 +0000 http://feastuponthewordblog.wordpress.com/?p=496#comment-26376 [...] and following true messengers who come to provide one with keys, keywords, signs, etc. (see lesson 7), all of which amount to a (typological) rewriting of the fallen human [...]

]]> By: DMPeters http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/04/10/rsmp-lesson-7-baptism-and-the-gift-of-the-holy-ghost/#comment-26077 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:28:21 +0000 http://feastuponthewordblog.wordpress.com/?p=496#comment-26077 I would feel that Joseph was given the Gift of the Holy Ghost, I am just curious who did it and when? As I understand the lesson there is a difference between the Holy Ghost and the Gift of the Holy Ghost; and the latter requires that somebody holding the Melchizedek Priesthood to physically lay their hands upon your head and perform the ordinance. Now Joseph had plenty of opportunity (contact with Melchizedek Priesthood holders) to get that done, but is it ever specifically documented? Or have there been known exceptions to that scenario?

As to the organization of the church, I can accept at that time he did receive it, but is that stated anywhere specifically that it was so (the way it is written is a little ambiguous)? Also, and I do not know the answer to this, I think the performer of the ordinance (i.e. bestowing the GotHG) must have the Melchizedek Priesthood, but must they have had the GotHG bestowed on them first as well? I am leaning no on that but I am not firm on my answer.

]]> By: robf http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/04/10/rsmp-lesson-7-baptism-and-the-gift-of-the-holy-ghost/#comment-26076 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:32:46 +0000 http://feastuponthewordblog.wordpress.com/?p=496#comment-26076 I thought everyone who was already baptizes was confirmed a member of the church and given the gift of the Holy Ghost when the Church was officially organized on April 6, 1830. I can’t find specific mention that Joseph was confirmed then, but here’s the account in HC.

Having opened the meeting by solemn prayer to our Heavenly Father, we proceeded, according to previous commandment, to call on our brethren to know whether they accepted us as their teachers in the things of the Kingdom of God, and whether they were satisfied that we should proceed and be organized as a Church according to said commandment which we had received. To these several propositions they consented by a unanimous vote. I then laid my hands upon Oliver Cowdery, and ordained him an Elder of the [p.78] “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints;” after which, he ordained me also to the office of an Elder of said Church. We then took bread, blessed it, and brake it with them; also wine, blessed it, and drank it with them. We then laid our hands on each individual member of the Church present, that they might receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, and be confirmed members of the Church of Christ. The Holy Ghost was poured out upon us to a very great degree-some prophesied, whilst we all praised the Lord, and rejoiced exceedingly.

]]> By: joespencer http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/04/10/rsmp-lesson-7-baptism-and-the-gift-of-the-holy-ghost/#comment-26074 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:20:04 +0000 http://feastuponthewordblog.wordpress.com/?p=496#comment-26074 Interesting question, DMPeters. I’ve never even thought to raise that question. I’ll dig around (as time permits!) and see what I can find out. I’ll confess I’d find it quite fascinating to find that Joseph never was confirmed…

Jenny, very apt comments. Again, I’m thinking of the paper at SMPT on dancing, and especially in terms of the endowment, no? The whole of 2 Cor 3 deserves to be read carefully again, so that I can add to your call the need to look carefully at the veiling/reading business at the end of that chapter as well.

]]> By: DMPeters http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/04/10/rsmp-lesson-7-baptism-and-the-gift-of-the-holy-ghost/#comment-26072 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:50:16 +0000 http://feastuponthewordblog.wordpress.com/?p=496#comment-26072 We had this lesson yesterday and the question come up about when did Joseph Smith receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost and who laid their hands on his head?

I have been unsuccessful in finding this information. I understand from the lesson that they were under the influence of the Holy Ghost directly after baptism, but I am also under the impression that he needed the physical act of someone laying their hands upon his head and bestowing it.

Anyways, if someone can set me straight on this issue I would be grateful.

]]> By: JennyW http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/04/10/rsmp-lesson-7-baptism-and-the-gift-of-the-holy-ghost/#comment-26067 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:41:26 +0000 http://feastuponthewordblog.wordpress.com/?p=496#comment-26067 Joe, this is a really interesting reading, thank you. It seems like one might draw the more general conclusion that the way to receive a gift (which in addition to the gift of the Holy Ghost might also include gifts such as the atonement or grace) in the gospel is to first receive signs in/with one’s flesh. Another sign that we need to carefully think through our relationship with the body in Mormonism. And think through 2 Cor. 3:3 again perhaps.

]]> By: Luis http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/04/10/rsmp-lesson-7-baptism-and-the-gift-of-the-holy-ghost/#comment-26045 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:13:22 +0000 http://feastuponthewordblog.wordpress.com/?p=496#comment-26045 When you have the answers, please, share them!!!
saludos de Chile

]]> By: robf http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/04/10/rsmp-lesson-7-baptism-and-the-gift-of-the-holy-ghost/#comment-26031 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:28:31 +0000 http://feastuponthewordblog.wordpress.com/?p=496#comment-26031 Signs, tokens, keys. All under-discussed (under-understood?) in our traditional discussions.

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