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	<title>Comments on: BoM Lesson 13: Jacob 5-7</title>
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		<title>By: JennyW</title>
		<link>http://feastuponthewordblog.org/2008/03/28/bom-lesson-13-jacob-5-7/#comment-26065</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comments. Joe, I haven&#039;t seen your paper, but would be interested to--I&#039;ve been thinking a lot about the interplay of orality and textuality throughout the small plates lately.

Robert, you make a good point. Reading the temple endowment as ending in 2 Ne., the &quot;tongue of angels&quot; fits nicely into the name/veil schematic. When I was rethinking on how Jacob might have extended the temple theme, I instead read being able to speak with the tongue of angels more in terms of being able to speak with and understand angels/messengers. To me, the endowment splits into two halves, the second of which begins with the implication of ongoing instruction received by angels/messengers. It then continues with the themes of chastity and consecration, as does Jacob. Does this make sense? I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s completely there textually, but I think enough of it is to warrant thinking about Jacob this way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments. Joe, I haven&#8217;t seen your paper, but would be interested to&#8211;I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about the interplay of orality and textuality throughout the small plates lately.</p>
<p>Robert, you make a good point. Reading the temple endowment as ending in 2 Ne., the &#8220;tongue of angels&#8221; fits nicely into the name/veil schematic. When I was rethinking on how Jacob might have extended the temple theme, I instead read being able to speak with the tongue of angels more in terms of being able to speak with and understand angels/messengers. To me, the endowment splits into two halves, the second of which begins with the implication of ongoing instruction received by angels/messengers. It then continues with the themes of chastity and consecration, as does Jacob. Does this make sense? I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s completely there textually, but I think enough of it is to warrant thinking about Jacob this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert C.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jenny, I think these are great and exciting thoughts. I&#039;m a bit puzzled over the &quot;tongue of angels&quot; bit and how it might be thought in terms of this schematic you&#039;re proposing. I guess I was thinking more in terms of this being likened to the prayer circle or a name only spoken at the veil or something, but these would not fit the endowment chronology that you seem to have in mind. Am I thinking too literally, missing something obvious, broaching something too delicate/sacred to talk about outside the temple, or something else entirely?? 

Thanks again for you thought-provoking post---I&#039;m esp. hoping to get to the Nibley bit on Jacob 4 that you mentioned....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny, I think these are great and exciting thoughts. I&#8217;m a bit puzzled over the &#8220;tongue of angels&#8221; bit and how it might be thought in terms of this schematic you&#8217;re proposing. I guess I was thinking more in terms of this being likened to the prayer circle or a name only spoken at the veil or something, but these would not fit the endowment chronology that you seem to have in mind. Am I thinking too literally, missing something obvious, broaching something too delicate/sacred to talk about outside the temple, or something else entirely?? </p>
<p>Thanks again for you thought-provoking post&#8212;I&#8217;m esp. hoping to get to the Nibley bit on Jacob 4 that you mentioned&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: joespencer</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marvelous work, Jenny. (It was very good to meet you, etc., at the conference!)

I like this reading of the veil extending beyond Nephi and into Jacob (and the implications you suggest about Jacob&#039;s editorial hand in Nephi... something I would find wonderfully ironic, given Nephi&#039;s editing of Jacob in 2 Nephi 6-10...), especially because of the points you mention in terms of chastity and consecration (the two undeniable themes of the Jacob 2-3 discourse). What is interesting, moreover, is that there is a clear shift from the oral to the written in Jacob&#039;s book: while Jacob 1-3 is mostly an oral event that has been committed to textuality, Jacob 4-6 is clearly a textual event, apparently a consequence of Jacob&#039;s retreat from his wicked people (and thus very closely related to, say, 2 Nephi 32:6-7). (I talk a bit about this retreat into textuality in my paper for the Abraham Seminar. I don&#039;t know whether you have had access to that or not, Jenny.) Very rich possibilities for doing further thinking.

Thanks so much for your work!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvelous work, Jenny. (It was very good to meet you, etc., at the conference!)</p>
<p>I like this reading of the veil extending beyond Nephi and into Jacob (and the implications you suggest about Jacob&#8217;s editorial hand in Nephi&#8230; something I would find wonderfully ironic, given Nephi&#8217;s editing of Jacob in 2 Nephi 6-10&#8230;), especially because of the points you mention in terms of chastity and consecration (the two undeniable themes of the Jacob 2-3 discourse). What is interesting, moreover, is that there is a clear shift from the oral to the written in Jacob&#8217;s book: while Jacob 1-3 is mostly an oral event that has been committed to textuality, Jacob 4-6 is clearly a textual event, apparently a consequence of Jacob&#8217;s retreat from his wicked people (and thus very closely related to, say, 2 Nephi 32:6-7). (I talk a bit about this retreat into textuality in my paper for the Abraham Seminar. I don&#8217;t know whether you have had access to that or not, Jenny.) Very rich possibilities for doing further thinking.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your work!</p>
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		<title>By: robf</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Jenny, good stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jenny, good stuff.</p>
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